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Great Neck Village Bans Front Yard Clotheslines

Trustees pass new law Tuesday which restricts air drying to back yards only.

LONG ISLAND, NY -- From the cradle to the coffin, underwear comes first, Berlolt Brecht once said. 

But that's apparently not the case in Great Neck Village. 

By unanimous vote Tuesday, the Great Neck Village Board of Trustees agreed that front lawns are no place for undergarments to be blowing in the wind.

"Frankly, I think it's rather disconcerting for people to come into a neighborhood and view on the front-filled lawn of someone's home, various articles of clothing, undergarments, what have you, flapping in the breeze," said Trustee Jeffrey Bass.

By a 5-0 vote, the board limited clothesline use to backyards of neighborhood homes.

Village Mayor Ralph Kreitzman said the need for the new law came about because of a complaint from a resident who witnessed a neighbor drying clothes from a front yard clothesline.

"I think that I can reiterate that we are embarrassed there is a need for this," said Kreitzman.

Previously, village code had no ordinance precluding clothesline usage, according to Kreitzman.

The proposed ruling rankled some at Village Hall during a sparsley-attended public hearing on the issue.

"As the proud owner of a clothesline in my rear yard, I just wonder what is so offensive about clotheslines?" said outspoken resident Elizabeth Allen. 

Kreitzman responded by saying he doesn't think clotheslines are offensive, but "my personal view is, they don't belong in a front yard."

Birnbaum said clotheslines detract from the kind of standards the village and neighborhood are looking to have and maintain.

"I certainly don't mind the clothesline in the backyard but I don't believe it's appropriate for the front yard," said Bass.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 7, 2012

An earlier version of this article quoted Trustee Mark Birnbaum. The quotes were made by Trustee Jeffrey Bass, not Birnbaum.

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Sherry December 7, 2012 at 07:40 pm
I love my clothesline. I can get my clothes dry without running up my electric bill and they smell so good. But,.....I wouldn't put it in the front yard. Not only is it inappropriate, I don't want my neighborns laughing about my underwear flapping in the wind....haha
Gregory December 7, 2012 at 07:44 pm
Maybe HOA's (Homeowner Associations) don't exist in your neighborhood? It's common practice with most HOA's, and not a government issue. Besides that, it's tacky to air laundry in a front yard and also unsafe. Drivers can't see children who may be darting out toward the streets.
Gregory December 7, 2012 at 07:52 pm
It's relatively common practice with most HOA's, (Homeowner's Associations). Perhaps this doesn't exist in your neighborhood, however, it's not very attractive and does little for property values. The biggest concern, in my opinion, is the potential danger to children playing. It's difficult for drivers to see kids who may dart out from behind the sheets and other clothing hanging on the front yard.
Always Question December 7, 2012 at 08:15 pm
I once lived in a duplex that had a split yard. Mine, since it was the front duplex, had the front yard, in which there was a circular clothesline. I hung my clothes to dry there, as I had no dryer. I wonder now how I would have dried clothes if such an ordinance had existed in my town then. Most clotheslines are in the rear yards or side yards, but now and then there is no choice. Did the city Board even inquire as to why there was a front yard clothesline? Did the neighbor? What happened to being neighborly instead of going to the Board? Perhaps, the neighbor did, but it certainly doesn't sound that way from this scant (as opposed to scanties) article.
charles December 7, 2012 at 08:28 pm
Pity you have to legislate basic decency.
Andrew Y. December 7, 2012 at 08:45 pm
Great Neck has a long standing history of passing what are among the most erroneous ordinances in the country. I grew up in this town, and I must say that the encroachment on civil rights and liberties has gotten tighter and tighter over the years. The trustees that are in control are hell bent on preserving a "Nifty Fifties" type of atmosphere, demonstrating a clean failure to abide by the old adage, "You have to change with the times." Instead, they pass these ridiculous ordinances within the village. You can not smoke in some parts of this town, can no longer fish on some of the fishing piers, can not park on the street overnight, and can look forward to being subject to additional screening from Police officers if you do not drive a luxury vehicle. All of this while having some of the highest taxes in the country. What if I have no backyard? What if I live in an apartment that faces the street? Can I hang my clothes off the deck? Seriously... I have tried multiple times to see things from the towns point of view... but I can't manage to wrap my mind around this urge to control what people view as obscene... That and I can not manage to get my head that far up my rear end.
Good Job, Great Neck... The whole country is laughing at you. For shame.... Someone get these people some dunce caps.
Anne Barnhart December 7, 2012 at 09:09 pm
Do you not have more pressing things to worry then someone's draws blowing in the breezes, I would think that the economy would be first , we DO NOT PAY YOU TO PASS ANY LAWS ABOUT A PERSON'S UNDER GARMENTS, START DOING THE WORK YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO OR WE WILL FIND SOME OTHERS THAT WILL GLADLY DO THAT JOB AND YOU WILL NOT GET RE-ELECTED.
Robert E Harris December 7, 2012 at 09:09 pm
Any ban on the young men, mostly the blacks, with their pants down below their a_ _?
Sherry December 7, 2012 at 09:21 pm
Reminds me of Duck Dynasty when Jase burned the leaves in the yard and bought chickens.....Call Jase at Duck Commander and let him come to the HOA meeting. Not only will he speak his mind, Miss Kaye will bring a casserole. Who ya gonna call..... Duck Dynasty !!! Love them.
J.D.Morgan December 7, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Put a sock in in..........keep your shirt on..........don't get your panties in a bunch.....oh who gives a sheet.......
glenn kephart December 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm
this is nothing in levittown, pa in the 50s/60s you could not hang wash on sunday, & if you did you would be fined. also you could only hang wash on a revolving laundary pole, not on a line. this was to discourage city ghetto astetics of the urban type. you now live in suburbia & things are done differently here.
MichaelC2B December 7, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Yes, it does look tacky to have a clothesline in your front yard - but to use the excuse about underwear being seen? How childish.
Katydid December 8, 2012 at 12:56 am
You might check the demographics of the town. I'm thinking there is an unspoken/unwritten ban maybe? :D
Jasmine Marie December 8, 2012 at 01:04 am
There are rules, regulations, laws, and just plain common sense that we all have to either apply, abide by, or at least do our best to comply in our every day lives! I understand both sides to this and think it's pretty bad when we can't just use a little common sense or keep our nose out of somebody else's business! Everyone's situation is different! Personally I think a closeline in your front yard is a little tacky. But, would I really have a problem with that? No! I would assume they had to put it in there front yard for a reason and I wouldn't even bother to take the time to complain. My concern that I haven't noticed anyone bringing this up is I would have the concern if my underwear and undergarments were right out in front and anybody could drive by and view them that it could attract preditors and people like that! But it really shouldn't be somebody else's business where you hang your clothes!
elmer B johnson December 8, 2012 at 01:42 am
I know a town not far from where I live, has a law that you cannot park a car in the driveway with a company logo on the door! You cannot have a boat, camper or any recreational vehicle anywhere in your yard!
George December 8, 2012 at 04:24 am
don't you people know this is coming to you by the "BETTER GOVERNMENT" party
the intrenched middle age Jewish male party , a few people who refuse to leave or make room for anyone who disagrees with them . they are there to serve the rich and the connected, while making life difficult for the ordinary tax payer.
judy Kay December 8, 2012 at 04:46 am
iI see NO reason for people to use the front of their homes for storeage ,drying clothing, The front yard should be clean and the lawn mowed and taken care of.. I have seen yards that look like junk yards. Junk stacked up, broken down cars on on the lawn ,kids rusted old bikes laying on the ground. There is NO reason to live like pigs. You want o live like pigs go out somewhere in the woods and throw up a shack
and live like a pig. This is how slums are made. The insdies of their home sare filthy too. Their children are the ones you hate to see coming and don;t want in your homes because they break things and have no respect for other peoples property,
Ed Invests December 8, 2012 at 04:51 am
I do not consider myself old, but probably should. I remember when we had no dryers and hung clothes on the line year round, and helped Mom take them in when they froze solid in the winter or started to blow away in the spring. It requires no energy and they smell great. Not all homes have the advantage of facing correctly to get sun in the backyard. You should applaud them for conserving energy and encourage all to do the same. I guess the guy in the Lexus thinks they look tacky....
Ed Invests December 8, 2012 at 06:17 am
This is Ed again, and while I ended up with several comments in email, I can see none here. I never intended to make my comment such an issue. Of course it depends on the laws, homeowner asso, or other things, but the issue presented was that there was no law until it irritated some group of vocal folks and became illegal. We are so backward in thinking today and worry about all of the wrong things. We should encourage using the sun to dry clothes and vilify those that choose to waste energy to accomplish the same task because it is somehow convienient. We are concerned about the outward appearance of people, places, and homes for virtually all of the wrong reasons. As for the reply about undergarments, I guess they haven't watched TV or movies in the last 50 years. People wear less on stage now than they had on in most men's magazines at that time and I doubt underware is a problem on a clothesline could possibly be offensive to anyone. I find it far more offensive daily when it is actually being worn by teenages (and even adults) where the pants have to be held up with one hand to keep pants from falling down. I'd love to fight that guy when he let loose of the pants and fell to the ground when I moved. Short fight. Pass a law that makes society better and quit picking on people that offend you with clotheslines. I talk about so many more important issues elsewhere and find it astounding that this simple comment somehow got so much attention.
mitzimatters December 8, 2012 at 06:46 am
i really hope this town has a zero crime rate, no homeless or hungry, public schools where every student has high test scores, clean safe lighted streets, playgrounds, parks, pretty well maintained grass and flowers, no dog poop to step in, etc
Mona Taplin December 8, 2012 at 07:20 am
Sometimes there is too much shade and not enough sun in back yards for a clothes line. Some of these laws do go too far. I don't live in your city, but I'd want to know why the line was in the front instead of rear yard to begin with. With utility bills constantly rising, it does seem a little much to enforce such a ban.
Tgrammiex4 December 8, 2012 at 01:24 pm
The bigger issue is who WANTS to hang thier underwear in the front yard for all to see? Class act.
Tom W. December 8, 2012 at 01:46 pm
Well Elmer B Johnson -- stupid rules like that will result in a lot of vacant and abandend houses ; were are people susposed to park there company cars and trucks? The big shots in that town need to get there heads out of there butts and do away with idiotic rules like that -- people wont put up with not parking there company vehicals in there driveway because it has a logo on the side of it or camper or boat . Poeple wont put up with that kind of crap long . People should not have to park miles away from home and pay a fortune for a taxi to get home from there or have to take a cab just to get from home to a parking lot someplace to get there car. --- sounds like rackitearing to me ( force people to park miles from there home then pay a cab company to take them back and forth between there the lot and there home , then ontop of that pay a fee to park in a parking lot ) ! This kind of crap is very hard on anybody that has kids or has trouble getting around -- since taxis are not built to except people in wheel chairs. Plus if a emergaincy comes up you have to wait for a cab to come get you and take you to your car.
Tom W. December 8, 2012 at 02:16 pm
Alene Schonhaut -- well a closeline in the front yard restriction is one thing but these rich snobs on the town bords are getting out of hand with alot of there stuipd rules. 1 example telling people they can't park there boat or camper in there driveway ; 2) telling people they can not park there own car in there own driveway because it has a company logo on the side of it. -- whats next contracors and deliver services can not park there trucks in your drive way when you are having work done on your home or delivering new furniture / appliances and stuff like that !! --- these morons need to get the heads out of there butts and stop being stupid ---( this kind of idiotic crap will lead to a town full of abandend homes - companys can not make delivers or do work on your home unless they park infront of your home or in your driveway -and - by banning cars and trucks with a logo on the side of the vehical on it frome your driveway will cause homes to not get fixed up and there for become condemed condition over time ;forcing people to move to someplace else and cause property values to drop drasticly !!!! ( besides cars and trucks come from the factory with the auto makers logo on it ; so how can any town ban you from have a car in your drive way with a logo on it ) ??
Tom W. December 8, 2012 at 02:33 pm
Well I agree these bigshots making these stupid rules are crazy . They must be drinking to much or smoking to much pot at the start of there meatings . Anybody with any brains at all knows just because you are driving a luxry car does not mean you have money and just because you are driving a clunker does not mean you are poor ! Some of the richest people in the world drive old cars from the 1960's and older as daily drivers. You drive what you like and what you can afford . Plus you drive what ever you can barrow when you car is in the repair shop. You can have a $60,000 dollar sports car but if it is in the shop and all they have as a loaner is a 1960 something car then that is what you be driving for a while. --
Tom W. December 8, 2012 at 02:50 pm
Hey this hanging close in the front yard to dry is one thing ;; but when they start telling you what you can and can not park in your driveway then they are deffinatly going to far-- first of all it is none of there business and second of all when emergancies come up you do not have the time to go park in a lot miles frome home and wait for a cab to get home or wait for a cab to take you to your car miles away !!! besides they can not just tow it away any how because alot of people drive vehicals that can not be moved by a regular 1 ton tow truck as there daily drivers -- I'd like to see some stupid idiot try to pick up the back end of a ( 6x10 ) with a big ( Cat ) or other equipment on it at a weight of ( 50 tons and up ) -- you would have the front of the 1 ton tow truck off the ground or flip the tow truck over.
Jeannette Donovan December 10, 2012 at 06:10 pm
We went to Europe recently & guess what - everyone had their laundry drying out in front of their apartments & houses. They call it saving the atmosphere & money. Sounds like some folks need to get a life of their own & butt out of everyone else's lives.
Raphael Halegua December 14, 2012 at 02:13 am
1st it was smoking ban on middleneck road now front clothslines . whats nextdont they have anything better like finding out why we dont have businessesstaying or shoppers coming here .
Rich Jacques (Editor) December 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Great Neck Village to target 'noise' Tuesday http://patch.com/A-00vs
Rich Jacques (Editor) December 19, 2012 at 08:49 am
Exclusive: Great Neck village board agrees to rethink clothesline ban http://patch.com/A-014V

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Isn't this Wendy Kreitzman's husband? Of course, Wendy - the lying editor at the Great NeckRead More Record!!! How cozy of you both - I sent in a letter to Anton Press regarding Wendy's erroneous and biased coverage of Pamela Geller's appearance at the Chabad in Great Neck and never received an answer. I didn't really expect to either. But why would we continue to support establishment candidates when the systems continue to fail, property taxes continue to rise, services continue to decrease, corruption on every level from local to federal exists, and you have a complicit media with your own wife at the helm. I don't think so!